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broadcasting just south of the old

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sherman ranch in the uintah basin of

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from space wolf research base camp my

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on today's episode we are blessed to

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have assistant state director of utah's

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mutual ufo network mufon

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mr brian lindley not only is brian well

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versed in all things ufo related he is

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also an artist who does everything from

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fine art to painting some of the coolest

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motorcycles around

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you can see his artwork at brian lindley

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art dot com that's b r i

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brian is not only a ufo researcher

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he has volunteered his efforts to the

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utah mutual ufo network making the

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scientific study of ufos for the benefit

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of humanity his mission

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he has selflessly joined the world's

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oldest and largest volunteer

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investigative body into the ufo

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phenomenon to answer the age-old

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question of

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are we alone in the universe

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brian is also a utahn so he's very

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familiar with the unique attributes of

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the state when it comes to high

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he is recently returning from a trip to

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utah's famous uinta basin in a search

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for answers and much more brian welcome

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to the hero paranormal podcast

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hey ryan thanks for uh that awesome

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intro yeah that was great

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man i'm so excited to talk to you i know

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that uh you just are coming back from

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the uintah basin

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where should we kick this off at this

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isn't your first trip up there is it

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no i've been up there i'd say about four

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or five trips you know first one was

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just kind of casual and

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we had some experiences on that trip

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that kind of just kept us coming back

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i have to know more how did that one go

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so you know with the

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now world famous skinwalker ranch like

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anyone else you know our

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trip kind of started off with you know

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just kind of poking around the area and

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with the very respectful trip to the

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gates i i must say that first and

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um you always got to be respectful with

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the private property and the people who

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were working in the area and with

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everything they've done so

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you know it's a great area but first off

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keep it respectful you know these are

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private properties and private owners

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but anyway so you know

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we kind of start off with just you know

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the photo op to the gate it was our

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first time out there and we just kind of

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had the data kill so it's such a

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we decided to do some photography around

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the area so

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you know we kind of drove around to some

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other areas around there and there's

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this really cool old service road

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there used to be some old houses down

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but um long abandoned so me and my wife

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while we were just kind of you know

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walking through some of these areas and

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uh i was keeping on my wife and all of a

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a man just appeared out of nowhere

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walking down this road and kind of

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i went to go catch up with her and

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you know see who this gentleman was

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you know she kind of passed out of my

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view and when i caught up with her i

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said hey what what did that guy say to

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you and she responded

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what guy there was nobody there

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so that really tripped us out and

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we actually started hearing these weird

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i couldn't even tell which direction or

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whether it was coming from above or yeah

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kind of heard two people talking and

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we're looking around and there's

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nobody there and with you being familiar

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with the area you know it's pretty much

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farmlands there's nowhere to hide

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um so we're looking around and

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kind of like almost all of a sudden as

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soon as we acknowledge these voices kind

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of just disappeared almost like a vacuum

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just sucks the noise out

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but uh that left us kind of weirded out

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so uh yeah we got out of there and

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still trying to figure out what we saw

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you know years later

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man that is so unusual interesting

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that whole area surrounding

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bottle hollow reservoir i would say for

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about 80 miles and sometimes more

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depending on how the bird flies there

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simple and complex reality of high

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strangeness where

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you know it's hard to explain there's

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much more than explanation it's i mean a

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lot of academic sources have referred to

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the area as anomalous

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and it's been studied as as you

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mentioned by a lot of people including

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the property that you went and

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checked out and that figure it's not

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like it was hidden behind a rock or

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anything did it

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seem odd to you in the way it moved or

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did was she aware did she feel like

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anything was watching her that just

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seemed so typical but yet strange

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yeah no those are those are great

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questions um

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so yeah when i finally caught up with

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her she was she was very nervous she

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felt uncomfortable which she's a

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spitfire she never feels uncomfortable

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um you know she was one who was running

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out in these places and i was like hold

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she got way ahead of me and i was just

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kind of checking out some of the cool

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terrain but um

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like i said this was a an old road and

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on each side there was a ranch property

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and each property was fully

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you know barbed wire

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there was there was no access to either

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property so

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that's what

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confused me the most is if this guy

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appeared where he did he would have had

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been hidden jump a barbed wire fence

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follow her down

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a a path without her knowing and this

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was mid-july so it was crunchy leaves

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dry grass you could hear every step

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so for this person to be you know

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i i judge about you know

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20 yards behind her

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without her even hearing or seeing him

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and to this day she still doesn't

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believe me

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but um i could tell you what i mean i

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could even describe his clothing

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his demeanor everything it was

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you know i thought nothing of it i was

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just like oh there's you know i'm gonna

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go see what the gentleman has to say

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maybe he wants us to leave the area i

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so so i go down there with that

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intention and there's nobody there

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man that is freaky and

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it reminds me of so many stories i've

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heard in the area

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one in particular was

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dave rosenfeld the founder of the utah

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ufo hunters was going up just south of

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their nine mile canyon

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and it was in the winter and he saw

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for lack of a better word just someone

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walking along the side of the road and

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time of year and had

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a flannel shirt on and they passed him

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and then they figured you know maybe we

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should turn around and go back and when

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they turned around he was gone and you

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hard to explain

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yeah no that that's a great story

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especially coming from dave because i've

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being out there and talking to people

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who've had lots of experiences in that

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area i'm always

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you know mine's kind of weird it doesn't

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really fit in any box so i'm always just

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i'm always asking people have you heard

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voices or have you seen people that have

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kind of come and gone

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it was a very natural situation and then

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and you're in a pretty unique position

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uh because of your connection to mufon

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you're getting

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some of the hottest reports i'm sure on

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a regular basis

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what have have you come across anything

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that has stood out to you or indicated

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that uh

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you know there may be more to this ufo

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mystery than a lot of people are aware

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yes and kind of like even my own

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experience you know with me working with

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mufon of course you know every time i'm

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out looking for things like

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everyone else my field i'm always

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you know and little did i know

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everything's happening around me you

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know i'm not busy looking in the sky

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when i don't realize that everything

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around me is changing

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one of the in my opinion one of the

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world's biggest hot spots for that kind

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of activity

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it i definitely believe that

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there's more to it

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you know with move on we definitely are

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focused on you know the scientific study

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of ufos what we see in the sky

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you know but there are always other

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strangeness and things happening around

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undeniable really

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yeah and there's been some something

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i've noticed recently is

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there has been i'm really glad that

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starlink has provided a tracker when

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uh it's kind of like an app

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that shows people when you can and can't

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see starlink from particular areas

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because

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starlink has sort of become the

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catch-all oh it must have been starlink

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i've seen that so many cases you know

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when people see things and they say oh

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it must be starlink

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and the internal workings of that are so

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precise that now they have that app

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where you can go and check and see if

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it's visible from that part of the

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planet at that particular time

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and the activity charts are super

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heard anything about any sightings that

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seem to be like starlink i know there

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was one in vernal not too long ago but

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it was not

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starlink at least according to the

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activity charts

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have there been any of those down in

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your neck of the woods near salt lake

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and you're in syracuse aren't you

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yeah i live up north but i also work a

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lot in salt lake so i'm kind of all over

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the place okay

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but um but answer your question yeah

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there's um

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there definitely is some reports where

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you really just want to put it in the

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starlink box

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but when it comes down to the way the

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witnesses describe the movements um

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even the color of lights or how they're

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spaced there's a lot of things that kind

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of will lead me to uh

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say it's not a star link but um

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but uh

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with starlink we i mean

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you'd imagine how many reports we get

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where people just aren't aware of what

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starlink is or what they're seeing as a

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matter of fact i saw my first starling

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just a few months ago camping and

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it was funny we were sitting around a

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campfire and my son looks up and says

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you know

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dad aliens

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it was pretty funny and we look up and

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you know dude it's just it's quite a

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sight to see so someone who doesn't

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realize that starlink is definitely

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gonna

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their head not know what they're seeing

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but

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where we actually have had to create um

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kind of a streamlined process for

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investigators

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to

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you know because we put in a lot of

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detail into these reports and even if

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it's just something that's identifiable

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it's it still takes time for us so

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we've had to uh kind of create a

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streamlined process for once that we are

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sure are star links but

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but um yeah ones that even may appear to

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be starlink we can't just always rule

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that out right off the bat we still have

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to do our work and make sure that um

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we're not just dismissing

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people so quickly

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yeah and kind of going along the

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starlink path and elon musk it reminds

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me you know

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there was uh this is an older case 1984

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in roosevelt utah that was documented by

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junior hicks

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and i just came across this case it's

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one that i've seen before and it just

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freaked me out the other day because i

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was looking at the drawings and stuff

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that junior hicks gathered from the

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witnesses and i won't say their names

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but one of them was elon i won't say his

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last name

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and it was 1984 they saw their tv making

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a static sound they turned they went to

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like turn off the tv and turn it back on

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because sometimes it would uh

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you know clear up the technology wasn't

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like it is today and sparks emitted and

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uh into his hand turning his arm numb

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and then they saw for lack of a better

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word these

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beings and robes that seemed to be

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able to witness them

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and they moved towards the screen and

389
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took up the screen and they had kind of

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snake-lit eyes and and it

391
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anyway it's one of those strange cases

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that came out of the uintah basin that

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you know it for

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they were younger these two that were

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watching tv it was about one in the

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morning but they could see these figures

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talked in talking to each other and

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seemingly kind of just talking about

399
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them and uh anyway

400
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there's more to the case but back back

401
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to the basin i guess it's kind of

402
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strange that uh

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um

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the and then they saw what was described

405
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as a craft a triangular shaped uh

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30 foot in diameter craft with blue

407
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lights on the bottom and a greenish

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color

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now with mufon you guys get these kinds

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of reports all the time you know where

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people run outside the house they see an

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object moving away from the top of the

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house and

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at the same time they're trying to kind

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of analyze what they saw do you have any

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advice for people because i know that

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mufon has a lot of programs and educates

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people on how to

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kind of be in the moment and remember

420
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what it is they're seeing and document

421
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it so that if people do see this stuff

422
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how they can

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document it so they don't forget right

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away or just forget it all together

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um well the first thing i would say is

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you know which luckily people nowadays

427
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and with everything's going on

428
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everyone's

429
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more willing to come forward and share

430
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their stories

431
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so that's number one is just speaking

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out and yes the sooner the better for

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sure

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and

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mufon is also has many other resources

436
00:16:04,870 --> 00:16:01,040
with people who have had experiences

437
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whether it's abductions or missing time

438
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like lately over the last few years

439
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mufon's actually hired a lot of people

440
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to come on that

441
00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:12,880
have a lot more expertise on that kind

442
00:16:18,790 --> 00:16:15,519
of stuff than i do

443
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with experiencers and

444
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and pretty much anything that you can

445
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throw out there with your you know

446
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experience no matter how weird it seems

447
00:16:28,710 --> 00:16:26,720
they've they've brought on a lot of good

448
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professionals to kind of help people

449
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with some some of these very traumatic

450
00:16:34,470 --> 00:16:33,120
experiences even

451
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so we have different levels of

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investigators and you know that way we

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make sure we're getting

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people to the right place and that have

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knowledge of what their experience was

456
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and you know it's strange because seeing

457
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all of these reports on a regular basis

458
00:16:54,310 --> 00:16:52,160
like you do it's hard to do without

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thinking that there exists

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at least on some level alongside our own

461
00:17:02,829 --> 00:16:59,360
existence or tangible world that there

462
00:17:07,909 --> 00:17:05,990
another that seems to be interacting on

463
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every level with our existence kind of a

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00:17:11,829 --> 00:17:10,319
duality you know a lot of people call it

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the phenomenon

466
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but then again it seems like it's super

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capable of like masterful deception and

468
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being able to take on different forms

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have you

470
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and it's kind of going into the shape

471
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shifting a little bit or the shape

472
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shifter phenomenon what's commonly known

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as skin walkers

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but have you had any cases come through

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where

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you could attribute it to something

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um

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that's kind of harder for me to speak on

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personally

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as far as like shape shifters like i say

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when there's a more of a

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of a very close encounter

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um

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we have a

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experiencer resource team

486
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that we kind of forward onto that kind

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of deal more with those

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kind of close encounter level five cases

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so i i haven't dealt with a lot of those

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00:18:09,430 --> 00:18:07,919
uh myself but we do have a team that's

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capable and ready to kind of take those

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reports and and deal with those

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because like i said we don't want our

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00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:16,640
you know standard investigators really

495
00:18:20,950 --> 00:18:18,720
diving into stuff that

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00:18:21,909 --> 00:18:20,960
you know takes a higher level of people

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that have

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00:18:25,909 --> 00:18:23,760
you know most of the people that work in

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00:18:27,909 --> 00:18:25,919
mufon in their experience or resource

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team they have personal experiences

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themselves

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so they are open uh for those and i

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think ready to take on those kind of

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reports and

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you know get a better

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account of what actually happened to

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these people and what they're dealing

508
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with but as far as shape shifters you

509
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know mufon is more focused on you know

510
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our motto is you know

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the scientific study of ufos for you

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know the benefit of mankind

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so i think they try and focus more on

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what they can collect in the actual

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absolutely but we do get all sorts of

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00:19:04,630 --> 00:19:03,440
different cases and people ready to uh

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you know

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to do the the correct interview with

519
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that so

520
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and you know

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given the classified nature too you

522
00:19:15,190 --> 00:19:13,600
don't want people to be worried about

523
00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:15,200
telling you stuff and then you

524
00:19:19,430 --> 00:19:17,200
mentioning it out to the world on a

525
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consistent basis yeah

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absolutely and yeah people's

527
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confidentiality is always a top priority

528
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as well so

529
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we're trying to share stories where we

530
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can't you know educate people and

531
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because that's important as well

532
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and i i find it's interesting that

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at least in the uintah basin uh

534
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we've dealt with

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00:19:45,110 --> 00:19:42,880
a lot of groundbreaking and extremely

536
00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:45,120
informative research that's come out

537
00:19:50,950 --> 00:19:47,760
which is kind of legitimizing

538
00:19:54,070 --> 00:19:50,960
research in general to the topic and

539
00:19:56,789 --> 00:19:54,080
you recently came back from a

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conference that was

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well it's it's described as sort of a

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surface level

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00:20:05,909 --> 00:20:03,840
um way to interact with a lot of the

544
00:20:08,549 --> 00:20:05,919
people that are targeting this type of

545
00:20:12,549 --> 00:20:10,789
how did that absolutely how did that go

546
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what what authors or scientists or

547
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:14,320
researchers did you get a chance to

548
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interact with or find anything out about

549
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:20,640
um and yeah and that yeah that was uh

550
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the phenomicon conference and i guess it

551
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was in the second year i went last year

552
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as well

553
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and what was so cool about that is

554
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it kind of brings all the different um

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00:20:35,909 --> 00:20:34,559
layers of this and all the different

556
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genres of

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you know

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they had speakers on ghost hunting um

559
00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:44,640
you had you know james keenan and many

560
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:46,320
others they're talking about the cool

561
00:20:51,909 --> 00:20:49,200
stuff and you went to basin and the old

562
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the treasure hunting lore and all that

563
00:20:55,990 --> 00:20:53,280
cool you know

564
00:20:58,390 --> 00:20:56,000
aztec gold all that fun stuff and you

565
00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:58,400
also had the bigfoot community there

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as well as uh the ufo community was

567
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:02,960
there as well so it was such a cool

568
00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:05,120
experience to see everyone from all

569
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:06,880
those different you know genres of the

570
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:09,280
paranormal come together because often

571
00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:10,559
you know

572
00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:13,360
you'd think everyone would get along but

573
00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:14,559
there's always been kind of some you

574
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:16,240
know rifts between some of those

575
00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:17,760
different communities so to see them all

576
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:19,840
to come together was awesome

577
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:21,600
and yeah everyone was so much fun

578
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:23,600
everyone was so nice and

579
00:21:28,830 --> 00:21:26,000
um you know even the cast of skinwalker

580
00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:28,840
ranch was there uh expedition bigfoot

581
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:31,280
and they didn't just speak they made

582
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:34,000
themselves accessible all weekend

583
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:34,799
to

584
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:37,039
interact with with the public

585
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:38,559
i mean i must have had a dozen

586
00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:40,480
conversations with all the

587
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:42,320
you know with eric baird and travis

588
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:43,360
taylor

589
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:44,640
on their

590
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:46,400
current research going on at the ranch

591
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:47,360
and

592
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:52,080
was there um she's also a medium i went

593
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:53,760
on a i went on a ghost hunt with her

594
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:55,039
that was

595
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:58,080
really eye-opening she's great yeah oh

596
00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:00,400
yeah she's fantastic she did such a good

597
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:03,280
ghost tour uh it was her and she was

598
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:05,039
teamed up with uh

599
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:07,760
cypress paranormal research

600
00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:09,679
and they were fantastic they gave us all

601
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:11,600
the equipment we did a we did a ghost

602
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:14,720
hunt of the vernal hotel there

603
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:17,440
for about two hours lots of evp sessions

604
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:18,960
so

605
00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:21,120
yeah it was

606
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:22,000
it was

607
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:24,480
yeah quite an exciting experience for

608
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:26,799
we were there for for all four days so i

609
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:28,320
just got back a couple days ago i'm

610
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:29,919
still tired

611
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:31,919
and that kind of kind of leads me into

612
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:34,320
my next question which is like

613
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:36,080
you got a glimpse behind some of the

614
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:38,320
curtains to this research

615
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:41,520
and something that has been

616
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:44,960
highly documented at least in

617
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:47,440
the paranormal or supernatural

618
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:49,440
world and also by the defense

619
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:51,679
intelligence agency which has been

620
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:54,960
contracted to uh through some experts

621
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:58,159
in the asap and a-tip program

622
00:23:01,190 --> 00:23:00,159
which concentrated a lot in the uintah

623
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:01,200
basin

624
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:03,360
was something documented that they call

625
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:05,760
the hitch hiker effect which before was

626
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:08,960
sort of unnamed but it's a phenomena

627
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:10,480
that

628
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:12,640
strange things tend to happen to people

629
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:14,400
after they visit areas of high

630
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:16,000
strangeness

631
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:17,520
have you had anything since you've

632
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,679
gotten back i know it's fairly recent

633
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:21,600
but have you had anything that seems a

634
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:23,200
little out of place or just kind of like

635
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:24,960
a little paranormal tap on the shoulder

636
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:27,120
since you got back

637
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:28,799
um

638
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:30,000
actually

639
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:31,679
funny you asked that it was kind of

640
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:34,080
funny when i was at the ghost tour

641
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:36,159
you know i was excited i was suited up

642
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,760
had a bunch of equipment i was ready to

643
00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:39,840
go waiting for something crazy to happen

644
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:41,039
and

645
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:42,559
i didn't really have a very personal

646
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:45,679
experience minus some really cool edps

647
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:48,240
but it was kind of funny um

648
00:23:53,270 --> 00:23:50,880
we were back at the conference

649
00:23:55,270 --> 00:23:53,280
uh the next morning and i was actually

650
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:55,280
at april's booth kind of talking about

651
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:58,159
the ghost hunt from the night before

652
00:24:03,430 --> 00:23:59,600
and

653
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:03,440
thought it was my wife just messing with

654
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:09,430
so i mean it was i was

655
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:10,799
you know i kind of sat there and sounds

656
00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:13,279
for a few seconds like no come on

657
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:14,720
i'm in an imminent building of a

658
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:16,720
thousand people here and now something

659
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:19,520
happens it was so i actually asked april

660
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:23,120
about i said hey this just happened and

661
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:24,320
she's like yeah i've actually had

662
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:25,520
something kind of hanging around my

663
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:28,320
boots for the last couple days so

664
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:29,679
so that was uh

665
00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:31,200
definitely not the hitchhiker effect i

666
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:33,279
was expecting but

667
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:34,640
it was uh it was definitely some

668
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:36,080
strangeness there

669
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:37,200
yeah

670
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:39,279
man you've got to be vigilant you never

671
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:42,080
know that is so interesting uh when the

672
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:43,679
phenomenon is never when you're

673
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,960
expecting it that's for sure yeah i mean

674
00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:48,720
playing around in front of that many

675
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:50,559
people i mean messing with your mind

676
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:51,840
because i mean

677
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:54,960
especially in a scenario like that

678
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:57,600
that's that's going to be wilder

679
00:25:01,830 --> 00:24:59,200
anybody yeah

680
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:01,840
yeah yeah yeah like i said it's when it

681
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:03,679
comes to these kind of things it's

682
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:05,360
it's never when you want it to happen

683
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:09,830
yeah this is a point where you almost

684
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:11,840
question your own sanity you know oh for

685
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:12,559
sure

686
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:13,440
yes

687
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:15,200
and that happens a lot in the basin and

688
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:17,360
that's kind of you know

689
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,840
the tangible world when when you

690
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:21,760
interact with something that seems to be

691
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:25,039
just beyond the veil it seems

692
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:26,880
like it has some kind of a dualistic

693
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:30,000
nature it can interact with humans

694
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,880
apparently whenever it wants and is

695
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:34,480
capable of

696
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,720
masterful deception as as you've

697
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:38,400
mentioned here i mean able to kind of

698
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:39,840
manipulate

699
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:42,159
uh human consciousness just to a point

700
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:43,840
where it baffles whoever it's

701
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:46,000
interacting with and a lot of times it's

702
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,799
investigators uh

703
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:50,400
while you were up there kind of just to

704
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:52,400
switch gears a little bit

705
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:55,039
um did you find any intriguing reports

706
00:26:02,789 --> 00:25:58,799
uh in the presentations or did you

707
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:02,799
happen to see anything in the skies

708
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:03,600
um

709
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:06,000
not this time around

710
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,880
um

711
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:08,159
and of course since there's a conference

712
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:09,360
you know we were

713
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:12,080
inside for most of the time

714
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:13,840
so normally when i go up there i like to

715
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:16,559
spend a lot more time doing personal you

716
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:19,039
know research and investigations and and

717
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:21,520
even just hiking around i mean that area

718
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:23,440
is just gorgeous and there's so much to

719
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,279
see and do and i was i was really hoping

720
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:27,120
to make it back to mcconkey ranch but we

721
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:29,279
just we just have time

722
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:32,240
but um as far as like anything like that

723
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:37,430
yeah but um but i mean there was

724
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:39,760
definitely no shortage of stories going

725
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:41,200
around

726
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:43,840
so you in every table i sat at you know

727
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:45,279
waiting for speakers to come on

728
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,240
everybody had a story up there

729
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:50,880
and honestly that's kind of what i think

730
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,799
gets us all down this path is we all

731
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:54,320
have an experience we don't understand

732
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:55,200
and

733
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:59,039
us you know

734
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:01,200
decide to get more involved and

735
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:07,350
you know kind of go down that path yeah

736
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,880
that's i mean honestly that's how i got

737
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:10,480
started with mufon is you know for my

738
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:11,760
own ufo

739
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:16,950
as far as me seeing anything in the sky

740
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:18,799
and viral not so much but

741
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:20,880
and now i have to know what did you see

742
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:23,039
above your house i'm intrigued

743
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:24,480
yeah yeah i knew i was going to jump

744
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:26,000
back and forth there

745
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:26,960
knew you wouldn't let me get away from

746
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:30,710
but um

747
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:33,039
yeah so this was a few years ago

748
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:35,840
um and we were just getting ready for a

749
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:37,440
camping trip

750
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,960
you know kind of loading stuff out to

751
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:40,320
our trailer

752
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:41,760
and

753
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:47,360
there's just this big bright

754
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:49,200
orb just kind of there

755
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:51,360
you know i looked at it and

756
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:52,960
you know i'm also kind of skeptical in

757
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:54,559
nature i'm just like okay it's a weather

758
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:55,679
balloon

759
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:57,919
you know it's this big sphere in the sky

760
00:28:01,669 --> 00:28:00,000
it's a weather boat so i go back inside

761
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:01,679
the house

762
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:03,440
you know load up more stuff come out

763
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:05,360
about 20 minutes later and it's still

764
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:06,399
there

765
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:09,120
it was actually kind of windy that day

766
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:10,480
uh

767
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:12,240
and then i kind of took notice and i

768
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:14,399
watched it for a while

769
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:15,840
and then i it was all i also kind of

770
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:17,760
picked a point on my roof a point of

771
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:19,679
reference so i can be like all right

772
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:21,200
i stood in this i stood in a certain

773
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:23,039
spot i picked the corner of my roof and

774
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:24,799
i said all right now i know if it moves

775
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:26,240
or not i'm gonna kind of get a reference

776
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:27,840
with this tree

777
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:29,679
watch it for another 15 minutes nothing

778
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:31,520
i mean it was

779
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:34,080
so still it was

780
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:36,080
just so eerie how anything in this guy

781
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:38,080
could stay that still regardless of

782
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:39,840
whether it's a drone balloon or this or

783
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:41,360
that

784
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:42,960
so i kind of went and got my family at

785
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:44,799
that point and said hey come check this

786
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:45,520
out

787
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:47,039
we brought the binoculars we got a

788
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:48,480
better look at it you know through that

789
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:51,679
and it was it was kind of

790
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:54,159
lit up and just kind of this ball of

791
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:55,200
light

792
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:57,440
and even after about

793
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:59,039
i'd say we've been watching about 30

794
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:00,960
minutes at this point

795
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:03,520
we live up next to hill air force base

796
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:04,880
all of a sudden

797
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:07,120
the f-35s from the base you know had

798
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:08,559
they had definitely noticed it so they

799
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:11,679
started making passes on it

800
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:13,840
and i'd say after about three or four

801
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:16,000
passes on this thing

802
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:17,840
you know it was still there and it just

803
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:19,840
kept moving and at which point my wife

804
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:22,159
said we've got to go like we've got a

805
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:24,320
camping trip you know we i'd love to

806
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:25,679
stay here and watch this all day so we

807
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:27,760
finally just left and it

808
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:30,080
never moved

809
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:31,919
i mean i really wanted you know i wanted

810
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:33,919
to stay there all day and see if i could

811
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:36,080
see it come or go or leave or make any

812
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:38,159
sort of movement so i could you know

813
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:40,480
make it make a better uh projection as

814
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:43,360
to what we were looking at but

815
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:46,080
but um after that i kind of hopped

816
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:48,799
online and started you know

817
00:29:52,870 --> 00:29:51,360
just doing my research online

818
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:52,880
and apparently

819
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:55,360
there was a ton of activity in that area

820
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:56,960
around the same time there was posts on

821
00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:01,039
ufo uh utah ufo hunters

822
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:02,240
uh

823
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:04,159
there was even and this is even before i

824
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:06,880
joined mufon i i found some mufon cases

825
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:08,799
all within the same month

826
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:10,720
when there was just these white orbs all

827
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:12,720
over the place in northern in northern

828
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:14,320
utah it was kind of a

829
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:16,480
little ufo flap there

830
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:19,760
for about a solid month

831
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:20,880
so

832
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:22,799
even after doing that research

833
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:24,640
that actually kind of is what

834
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,159
doing my own personal research and what

835
00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:28,320
i saw that's what kind of got me

836
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:30,399
i was poking on mufon's page and i said

837
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:31,679
you know what i actually would like to

838
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:33,279
research this more

839
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:35,200
and that's when i decided to sign up to

840
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:38,159
become an investigator

841
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:41,200
man that's great that is so cool

842
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:43,520
so that was kind of my my sighting in

843
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:45,440
kind of my history of why i decided to

844
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:47,200
you know get involved

845
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:49,039
and you mentioned something super

846
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:50,880
interesting for listeners that haven't

847
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:53,600
been there which is mcconkey ranch and

848
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:56,559
it has some very interesting petroglyphs

849
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:58,320
that are unique

850
00:31:02,549 --> 00:31:00,240
to anywhere else in the world i mean

851
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:02,559
there's there are others in utah that

852
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:04,880
are fascinating such as the guardians at

853
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:07,919
sago canyon which is south of the ranch

854
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:11,200
and you know both of these panels

855
00:31:14,269 --> 00:31:12,159
are

856
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:14,279
very complex i mean

857
00:31:17,710 --> 00:31:16,720
archaeologists have called them barrier

858
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:17,720
style

859
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:19,760
anthropomorphs and

860
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:20,960
academic

861
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:23,360
experts have referred to them as

862
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:26,559
ceremonial or ritualistic

863
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:28,720
but no one's been able to indicate or

864
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:31,440
even have a clue as far as their actual

865
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:34,240
meaning and i think it's interesting

866
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:36,640
because that's kind of where

867
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:38,640
the uh

868
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:40,240
you've got to picture yourself coming

869
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:42,159
across these canyons

870
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:44,640
back in the day and seeing these panels

871
00:31:48,389 --> 00:31:47,440
it would be obvious that this would you

872
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:48,399
know

873
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:51,120
epitomize evil or at least a warning of

874
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:53,840
some sort to guard the entries or you

875
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:55,679
know warn passers by that they should

876
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:57,760
proceed with caution

877
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:58,880
and

878
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:01,679
you know it's strange that these areas

879
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:04,320
are areas of high strangeness

880
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:06,960
and now in more modern times

881
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:08,799
you know we have

882
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:12,320
the government which is this is wild but

883
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:14,880
kind of going along the same lines

884
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:17,200
we have the government who is

885
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:18,240
starting

886
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:19,039
to

887
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:21,840
disclose things where in the past

888
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:23,760
they've really sort of

889
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:25,840
hidden things you know the united states

890
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:28,000
government has a long history of hiding

891
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:29,120
the truth

892
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:33,600
which is great have you noticed that at

893
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:34,799
all

894
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:36,399
oh absolutely

895
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:38,960
i mean and i think we can all

896
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:41,120
you know be on the same page that they

897
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,240
clearly know more than what they're

898
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:43,919
saying but

899
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:46,399
but uh no it's a great movement and just

900
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:48,720
you know with them finally admitting

901
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:50,480
that these things are real

902
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:52,000
i mean of course anything they do know

903
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:53,760
is going to be buried in so many private

904
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:55,600
programs that will probably never see

905
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:57,200
the light of day but

906
00:33:01,830 --> 00:32:59,919
but no it's it's undeniable and with all

907
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:01,840
the military videos that have come

908
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:03,919
forward and now um

909
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,240
the public asking their elected rep you

910
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,640
know representatives to

911
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:10,559
get involved and say something it's it's

912
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,320
amazing to see these

913
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:14,240
you know new programs and bills that

914
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:15,919
they're actually passing making it

915
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:18,640
easier for people to um

916
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:21,279
to come forward and being so open about

917
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:22,080
it

918
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,760
and and i watched all those briefings

919
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:25,440
and sorry jumping around a little bit

920
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:26,240
more

921
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:28,080
the one part of that briefing that i

922
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:30,880
found so fascinating is

923
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:32,799
you know they they come out talking

924
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:35,120
about how this is everything we know and

925
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:37,519
we're totally transparent and all this

926
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,760
but the second someone mentioned

927
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:41,760
uso or

928
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:44,240
you know submerged object

929
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:46,000
they immediately said

930
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:48,080
that's for the classified meeting

931
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:49,679
that was the one thing i think they gave

932
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,679
away that meeting where they were like

933
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:53,519
okay

934
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:56,080
there they know a lot more about the you

935
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:58,640
know the submerged aspect of it

936
00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:00,159
you know which

937
00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:02,320
those videos been coming out of these

938
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:04,840
being trans medium

939
00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:08,320
objects that are you know

940
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:10,399
even from all those other uh nimitz and

941
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:12,240
other encounters those were coming and

942
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:14,399
going from the water

943
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:16,720
so i'm very interested to see what comes

944
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:18,399
out on that

945
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:20,320
because i think that's the one part

946
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,800
they're still holding back of because

947
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:24,320
we can all make guesses to what's flying

948
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:25,760
around the sky

949
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:27,440
no one can guess what's going that fast

950
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:30,000
underwater

951
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:33,520
man that is such a good point brian

952
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:35,760
because the narrative is avoiding this

953
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:37,599
it's a massive

954
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:39,359
project that they're holding all the

955
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:43,839
data on and you know i know for a fact

956
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:46,399
that many people in the san diego area

957
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:48,240
are seeing things going in and out of

958
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:50,960
the water at rapid speed

959
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:52,800
all around the

960
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:57,119
coronado which is a military base and

961
00:35:01,750 --> 00:34:59,599
strangely getting back to the basin

962
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:01,760
recently

963
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:04,079
to give listeners a little background uh

964
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:06,240
the property i own up in the basin

965
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:08,320
that's a base camp known as space wolf

966
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:09,599
research

967
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,440
i sold a portion of that property to a

968
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:15,200
friend of mine and somebody i met

969
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:17,200
through jeremy corbell he's a researcher

970
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:19,359
doing consciousness technology studies

971
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:20,480
up there

972
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:24,079
and he's named it uh umbra ventus lucis

973
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:26,000
i believe he was also there at

974
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:27,359
phenomicon

975
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:29,200
and he's camping out at the property and

976
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:31,200
has a pond on his portion of the

977
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:33,760
property and he last night

978
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:36,480
called me and said this is very strange

979
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:38,720
but there seems to be machinations or

980
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:40,400
mechanical sounds

981
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:42,400
coming out of the pond it's gurgling

982
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:44,320
it's bubbling is there any kind of

983
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:46,480
machinery that you're aware of ryan like

984
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:49,359
a pump or anything in this body of water

985
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:52,000
and there is none there's zero

986
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:53,680
machinery there

987
00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:56,720
and i think that this uso

988
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,160
phenomena is like one of the technical

989
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:02,640
great and yet disturbing interesting

990
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,839
facts

991
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:05,680
that's been it's being held super

992
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,960
secretive by the government

993
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:08,400
investigations

994
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:11,520
and uh before i sold this portion of the

995
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:13,760
property to this gentleman

996
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:16,160
i had cameras all around this pond and

997
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,040
we did in fact catch things going in and

998
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:21,599
out of the pond kind of stylistically

999
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:22,880
like uh

1000
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:25,200
like it was a place to hide it sounds

1001
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:27,200
super you know

1002
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:29,440
super strange

1003
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:31,359
reflecting the fact that water and

1004
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,520
something flying or interacting but i

1005
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:35,280
think that's a super

1006
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:38,000
obvious connection that it's hard for

1007
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:40,880
people to wrap their heads around

1008
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,359
yeah no absolutely i mean you know we've

1009
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:45,599
been talking about ufos for

1010
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:47,119
however many years now all of a sudden

1011
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:48,960
you're saying wait they're

1012
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:50,880
they're underwater now it's

1013
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:51,839
you know

1014
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:53,599
it's kind of hard for people to make

1015
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:55,599
that jump you know without even thinking

1016
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:57,200
about it because you've been hearing

1017
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:59,119
about flying things but

1018
00:37:01,670 --> 00:37:00,480
it's like you say water they're like

1019
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:01,680
what why

1020
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:03,040
why would they be underwater i'm like

1021
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:05,359
well why would they not

1022
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:07,359
if they're a trans medium object then

1023
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:09,280
you know space

1024
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:12,079
water even the earth itself there's been

1025
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:14,000
plenty of reports of these things flying

1026
00:37:20,829 --> 00:37:19,349
so just kind of just disappearing

1027
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:20,839
through it like it's

1028
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:23,839
like it's nothing really

1029
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:26,960
it's so wild i i recently

1030
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:29,119
cannot find it for the life of me i'm

1031
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:31,599
looking now but i recently heard

1032
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:33,680
something along the lines of i believe

1033
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:36,640
it was the air force was monitoring an

1034
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,800
area near the mariana trench which i

1035
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:42,720
i'm gonna i mean it's thousands of feet

1036
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:43,599
deep

1037
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:45,760
and it is somewhere where

1038
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:48,079
things were seen going in and out and

1039
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:49,440
around

1040
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:51,440
some of these you know

1041
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:53,200
warships and that's what's so scary is

1042
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:54,960
we're talking about

1043
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:58,160
leading-edge technology with

1044
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:01,040
you know flair systems that are

1045
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:02,880
armed and

1046
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:06,160
i mean functions as just the

1047
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,839
you know the epitome of our

1048
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:11,200
war machines

1049
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:13,520
and it seems as if

1050
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:15,200
at least from all

1051
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:16,720
reports

1052
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,359
that the united states

1053
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:21,599
uh department of defense is concerned

1054
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:24,240
because there are things

1055
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:26,800
interacting with these ships in uh

1056
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:29,040
strange manners like they have strange

1057
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:31,520
mannerisms their speed underwater can't

1058
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:34,000
be explained

1059
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:37,280
have you had any uso type reports coming

1060
00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:40,079
out of utah because i have heard a lot

1061
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:41,839
of the amber lights there by the great

1062
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:43,440
salt lake but i haven't heard of any

1063
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:45,280
going into the water have you heard

1064
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:47,280
anything like that brian

1065
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:49,599
um none that none that i'm aware of up

1066
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:51,119
here and i and i do know which ones

1067
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:52,480
you're talking about those amber lights

1068
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:54,240
uh by the grace hall lake

1069
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:56,240
there was even a really good one uh kind

1070
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:58,320
of by the salt lake just last year kind

1071
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:00,400
of the same thing

1072
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:02,720
but um as far as in utah i haven't heard

1073
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:04,240
any of those uh

1074
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:06,160
i haven't heard any of those reports but

1075
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:08,240
mufon does um

1076
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:09,680
have

1077
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:12,240
one expert on actually submerged objects

1078
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:15,680
and that's uh i i don't want to butcher

1079
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:17,359
it because that's just kind of so far

1080
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:19,520
out of my scope of work but

1081
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:21,599
they but even mufon has looked into that

1082
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:24,720
i know there have been cases

1083
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:27,040
yeah the uso thing is huge there's

1084
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:29,200
there's been historical reports there at

1085
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:32,240
bottle hollow reservoir of people seeing

1086
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,440
craft going in and out of there as well

1087
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:37,440
well even just last year again i don't

1088
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:39,599
want to butcher any story or give people

1089
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:40,400
any

1090
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:42,160
wrong information but i believe it was

1091
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:44,000
just last year

1092
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:46,400
um one of our submarines collided with

1093
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,920
something

1094
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:49,440
and they never found out what it was it

1095
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:52,640
wasn't uh wasn't the bottom and

1096
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:54,400
it was in the south china sea and they

1097
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:56,400
don't believe it was any other

1098
00:40:01,030 --> 00:39:57,440
uh

1099
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:01,040
military of ours or anyone else's

1100
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:03,119
and the story just kind of stopped there

1101
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:05,119
there was an actual like collision with

1102
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:07,280
one of our submarines

1103
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:09,040
that they were never able to explain or

1104
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:15,109
it's so crazy because i mean we know

1105
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:17,520
that the technologies

1106
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:19,760
of a lot of these

1107
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:21,520
machines especially when you're talking

1108
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:25,440
warfare are way up there and

1109
00:40:32,310 --> 00:40:28,000
when they seem to be at their emphasis

1110
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,320
infancy in comparison with some of these

1111
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:34,560
you know submerged objects flying at

1112
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:36,480
thousands of miles an hour i mean it

1113
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:39,119
reminds me a lot of the calvin parker

1114
00:40:48,910 --> 00:40:45,990
i'm not sure i'm remembering the calvin

1115
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:48,920
parker case that was out of

1116
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:51,520
pascagoula mississippi if i'm not

1117
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:52,560
mistaken

1118
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:54,640
and i've talked to calvin and it's it's

1119
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:56,000
a very similar

1120
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:58,880
situation in that they were out uh

1121
00:41:04,270 --> 00:41:01,599
near this body of water in pascagoula

1122
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,280
and they saw these

1123
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:06,640
bioluminescent craft for lack of a

1124
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:08,240
better word

1125
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:11,920
and uh they in fact did

1126
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:14,079
cruise around underwater

1127
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:14,960
and

1128
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:17,040
you know this was uh you know our

1129
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:19,280
technology as i said i don't want to in

1130
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:22,079
any way minimize the extent of our

1131
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:25,200
technology but at the same time

1132
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:26,800
it's like

1133
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:29,680
this was in the 70s and

1134
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:31,680
for for something

1135
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:33,119
to be that

1136
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:34,400
impressive

1137
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:36,640
technologically advanced at that time

1138
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:37,839
period

1139
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:39,680
it's just hard for me to wrap my head

1140
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:40,960
around i don't wanna i don't wanna

1141
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:44,000
minimize what our government can do

1142
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:46,560
but it's it just brings me back to kind

1143
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:49,040
of like the more recent stuff where i in

1144
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:50,720
my opinion the government is being

1145
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:53,440
somewhat trans transparent maybe not

1146
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:55,200
completely maybe not completely but

1147
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:56,800
they're being somewhat transparent which

1148
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,160
we cannot

1149
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,480
turn a blind eye to in that they're

1150
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:02,400
actually asserting

1151
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:04,640
that something is there

1152
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:06,640
yeah no and that and that's a huge step

1153
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:08,720
i know some people they want it all they

1154
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:10,480
want you know

1155
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:11,920
they're expecting the government to just

1156
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:14,240
wheel out the you know ufo from roswell

1157
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:15,280
but

1158
00:42:19,349 --> 00:42:18,160
hey we got people talking about it and

1159
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:19,359
it's

1160
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:25,119
real thing

1161
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:26,800
but now now what they actually have to

1162
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:29,119
do is fund some of these programs you

1163
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:30,480
know we had some speakers this weekend

1164
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:31,920
talking about

1165
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:34,640
yeah they have a uap task force but

1166
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:36,240
you know the parts of the government

1167
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:37,680
that actually pay for it have yet to cut

1168
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:40,400
any checks so

1169
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:42,079
so i don't know if they're hopefully

1170
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:44,079
they're you know making big steps to

1171
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:46,319
making a priority and not just

1172
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:48,480
talking about it to you know appease the

1173
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:49,359
people

1174
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:51,520
who have seen these videos so but either

1175
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:54,400
way it is a huge step for you know for

1176
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:55,839
everyone in the right direction not just

1177
00:43:03,349 --> 00:42:59,760
ufologists but our national security and

1178
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:03,359
really the people who deserve to know

1179
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:07,119
yeah and i've been speaking with a guy

1180
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:09,520
who's extremely busy but he's involved

1181
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:11,839
with an aerospace corporation that's

1182
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:14,800
trying to get funding to do some tests

1183
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:17,520
and we're still awaiting uh

1184
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:20,079
it's difficult it's kind of a tough uh

1185
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:21,440
you know

1186
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:23,760
situation because

1187
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:26,560
he he has the the lineup of people he's

1188
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:29,760
got the properties lined up and or the

1189
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:33,200
the private property lined up here

1190
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:34,079
to

1191
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:35,680
analyze it

1192
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:39,280
but again when it comes to the funding

1193
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:40,480
you have to

1194
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:42,800
kind of uh

1195
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:44,800
you got you kind of have to be careful

1196
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:47,040
because you they're usually ndas that

1197
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:49,760
have to be signed you can't you can't

1198
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:53,359
speak about absolutely everything

1199
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:55,520
it's as a point of reference it's

1200
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:58,319
difficult because i think of

1201
00:44:02,630 --> 00:43:59,920
much of the research we're discussing

1202
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:02,640
with other properties in the basin

1203
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:04,160
and

1204
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:06,400
they have to be held to kind of some of

1205
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:09,680
the same residual uh

1206
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:12,000
stuff when you're actively researching

1207
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,680
something and you have

1208
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:15,599
you have government money or funding

1209
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:18,720
involved which kind of brings me to um

1210
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:21,280
luis elizondo i know he's gotten a

1211
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:22,880
really hard time as you mentioned a lot

1212
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:24,720
of the people

1213
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,280
involved in ufology give anybody that

1214
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:29,040
comes forward uh

1215
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:31,599
a lot of criticism and they question his

1216
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:32,960
credibility

1217
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,560
uh what are your thoughts of luis

1218
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:36,720
elizondo

1219
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:38,960
um my hat's off to him you know for

1220
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:41,520
someone to come forward

1221
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,560
and you know lay it all out with risk of

1222
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:46,880
you know destroying his life which

1223
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,440
they've made several attempts to

1224
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:51,359
you know good good for him and good for

1225
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,640
the pilots that have started to come

1226
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:54,319
forward um

1227
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:56,319
especially all the military people

1228
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:57,680
you know all these people have signed

1229
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:00,400
all these known disclosures where

1230
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:02,560
you know they can lose their pensions

1231
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:04,160
you know you know like you know you

1232
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:06,400
could be retired from the military and

1233
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,839
come forward

1234
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:09,119
they can take your pension away you're

1235
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,359
not out yet you know you're not out

1236
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:13,520
until you die they still

1237
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:18,480
they still have ways of you know

1238
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:21,680
of punishing people who come forward

1239
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:24,240
so no good on him and what he's done i

1240
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:27,040
mean is absolutely amazing i i think

1241
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:28,960
it's incredible and i think he actually

1242
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:30,720
started a lot of these fires which is

1243
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:32,880
what is bringing

1244
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:34,560
people forward

1245
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:36,480
you know not just military but tech

1246
00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:38,560
people you know those are the people we

1247
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:40,640
need to to feel comfortable to come

1248
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:41,920
forward

1249
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:43,280
now i know there is a piece of

1250
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,440
legislation again i'm not going to get

1251
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:47,440
try and name it or this or that

1252
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:49,520
because i'll just butcher it but i know

1253
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:51,440
there is a piece of legislation right

1254
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:52,400
now

1255
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:55,119
being kicked around congress that is

1256
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:57,760
basically protecting people who do come

1257
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:59,599
forward and who have signed

1258
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,200
non-disclosures

1259
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:03,359
to where

1260
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:05,359
i think once a certain contract has

1261
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:07,440
expired

1262
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:08,960
you can come forward without

1263
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:11,280
repercussions i mean clearly some stuff

1264
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:12,640
if you're active in the military and you

1265
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:14,720
come forward with a bunch of secrets

1266
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:16,319
you're gonna get in trouble but some of

1267
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:17,520
these

1268
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:18,480
uh

1269
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:21,200
older you know military folks who have

1270
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:29,430
50 60 years you know

1271
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:30,800
those kind of people need to be

1272
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:32,640
protected

1273
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:34,000
to be able to come with those stories

1274
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,880
and

1275
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:36,240
you know

1276
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:38,240
so i i think that piece of legislation

1277
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:39,839
again i'm not sure which one it was but

1278
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:40,960
i know they're working on something

1279
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:43,200
right now that would make it much easier

1280
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:45,200
for people to come forward

1281
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,079
hey guys i usually don't pitch anything

1282
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:50,640
but if you are interested in having a

1283
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:52,720
killer tan now that fall is coming and

1284
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:54,400
winter is on the way

1285
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:56,640
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1286
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,079
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1287
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:00,480
we got these we got a warehouse full of

1288
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:02,640
these and they're awesome they come in

1289
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:04,160
different shades

1290
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,359
and it's all organic it's the only

1291
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:09,839
product with all organic

1292
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:13,200
ingredients to get a cancer-free tan you

1293
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:15,680
just rub it on kick back

1294
00:47:21,309 --> 00:47:18,400
let the all-natural product do its thing

1295
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:21,319
just message us at hero paranormal at

1296
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:23,599
yahoo.com and we'll set you up with a

1297
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:26,000
twenty dollar tube of the best bronzer

1298
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:28,079
you'll ever use you can check the

1299
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:31,359
product out on facebook at spice dash

1300
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:33,359
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1301
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:35,359
that's s p

1302
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:37,040
y c e

1303
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:40,079
dash natural bronze

1304
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:43,200
tan like your life depends on it

1305
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:45,359
i think that's so cool because yeah i

1306
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:47,839
think mr elizondo's in a tough spot i

1307
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:51,440
mean that that dd form 2836 is a very

1308
00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:54,480
serious agreement and people always look

1309
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:56,480
at him sideways when he takes a moment

1310
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:58,400
to gather himself before answering a

1311
00:48:02,630 --> 00:47:59,359
question

1312
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:02,640
but that's got to be tough to navigate

1313
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:03,599
you know

1314
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:05,280
especially

1315
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:07,200
having been involved with an obscure

1316
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:09,520
pentagram pentagon program at least at

1317
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:10,480
the time

1318
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:11,599
and

1319
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:14,800
it kind of brings me back to

1320
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:16,640
you know all of the naysayers you know

1321
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:17,839
we have

1322
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:20,720
we we now have a branch of the

1323
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:23,280
government known as space force and you

1324
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:25,280
know everybody's first inclination was

1325
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:26,800
to make fun of it

1326
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:30,000
and it to me it's like this is cool this

1327
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:32,240
is great any any progress that we're

1328
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:34,880
making is good progress i'm with you on

1329
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:35,680
that

1330
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:36,960
and um

1331
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:39,680
with luis elizondo i had the opportunity

1332
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:41,040
of meeting him

1333
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:43,359
and he seemed like a nice enough guy to

1334
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:46,559
me and as you know he has had

1335
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:49,200
for lack of a better word or is fearful

1336
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:50,559
for attempts

1337
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:52,319
possibly on his life i know he's been

1338
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:53,920
seen with uh

1339
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:56,960
bulletproof vests from time to time

1340
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:59,200
and oh wow that is a really big

1341
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:01,119
helicopter flying over me i'm usually

1342
00:49:07,589 --> 00:49:05,040
pretty pretty quiet here um but

1343
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:07,599
yeah coming back to um hill air force

1344
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:09,200
base and a lot of the

1345
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:11,280
cool projects coming out of there i know

1346
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:14,720
we got a new fleet of uh the warplanes

1347
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:16,720
out there have you had a chance to see

1348
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:19,359
any of those in your neck of the woods

1349
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:22,079
oh yeah i am right in their flight path

1350
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:24,559
oh man and we love it my wife was uh

1351
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:25,760
she's

1352
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:30,079
she actually worked on a lot of those uh

1353
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:32,640
planes and jets she worked out on uh one

1354
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:34,480
of the aircraft carriers on the uss

1355
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:36,000
lincoln for many years working on these

1356
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:37,440
jets so

1357
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:39,040
so we love it when they buzz our house

1358
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:39,839
we

1359
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:42,800
new gear and

1360
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:44,640
but yeah they kind of take off from hill

1361
00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:46,480
air force base and they kind of do a big

1362
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:48,240
loop and to land and we're kind of on

1363
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:50,720
the western side of that loop

1364
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:51,839
so

1365
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:54,480
yeah we got to see all their cool stuff

1366
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:56,800
especially around the air show

1367
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:58,720
that is so cool yeah they're

1368
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,079
they're flying in formation and doing

1369
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:02,559
all sorts of cool stuff but

1370
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:04,160
yeah i have a buddy that lives out by

1371
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:05,920
colorado springs and he was telling me

1372
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,359
about them and how how cool they look uh

1373
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:11,680
they seem to outpace the old ones bar

1374
00:50:14,309 --> 00:50:12,880
none but

1375
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:14,319
oh yeah

1376
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,160
the other really cool thing about utah's

1377
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:18,480
we have so much national security much

1378
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:20,400
like uh hill air force base we have the

1379
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:22,319
nsa listening center

1380
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:26,640
we have um a lot of space war fighting

1381
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:28,720
stuff going on

1382
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:32,640
and we of course have dugway uh have you

1383
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:34,319
heard anything interesting or

1384
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:38,240
interesting sightings out in that area

1385
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:40,480
absolutely actually

1386
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:41,920
i would say

1387
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:44,400
most of my best cases

1388
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:48,000
all in the state of utah have all been

1389
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:50,559
in the general vicinity of dugway

1390
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:52,800
um

1391
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:54,880
yeah i i had one recently i mean again i

1392
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:56,000
you know

1393
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:57,680
protect people's identities and i won't

1394
00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:59,680
get into too much of the details but

1395
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:01,680
we had um we had a government worker who

1396
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:02,640
was out

1397
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:04,800
i mean this one was just a few weeks ago

1398
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:06,880
who was working out at dugway

1399
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:08,480
and

1400
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:09,680
he was just parked on the side of the

1401
00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:13,040
road and he had a sighting that was

1402
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:14,800
pretty remarkable it's just a bright

1403
00:51:18,870 --> 00:51:16,960
light that actually ended up

1404
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:18,880
splitting into four

1405
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:19,760
and

1406
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:25,280
turned

1407
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:26,720
it was actually four lights but then

1408
00:51:30,069 --> 00:51:28,400
once it turned he described a

1409
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:30,079
needle-like craft

1410
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:31,839
that had

1411
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:33,119
four bright lights on it you could

1412
00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:35,280
actually see it wasn't just lights he

1413
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:37,520
could actually see kind of a structure

1414
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:39,359
to it

1415
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:41,359
and

1416
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:48,880
headed towards this really thin wispy

1417
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:52,400
cloud that he he described it could not

1418
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:53,760
hide these lights

1419
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:55,760
he said it actually went into it and

1420
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:57,440
disappeared almost like it was going

1421
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:01,750
but

1422
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:03,280
and i mean it was it was an amazing

1423
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:05,359
account and he you know unfortunately he

1424
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:06,880
didn't get any photos or anything of it

1425
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:08,240
but

1426
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:10,400
this is a gentleman who was actually

1427
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:12,240
really upset about it

1428
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:13,920
he was he didn't you know he didn't

1429
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:15,760
contact us going oh this is awesome i

1430
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:17,200
saw ufos it's amazing i have to tell

1431
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:19,520
someone he reached out because he was

1432
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:21,280
generally upset

1433
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:24,960
it kind of rattled his whole world view

1434
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:26,800
you know it was to the point where he

1435
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:28,880
didn't know what to do or who to talk to

1436
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:30,880
so we kind of hopped online found mufon

1437
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:33,359
and submitted a report and

1438
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:34,880
i've actually talked to him a few times

1439
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:37,359
over the last couple weeks just because

1440
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:39,280
he doesn't know who to talk to about

1441
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:41,599
something like that but

1442
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:43,280
so that was that was one amazing

1443
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:45,280
encounter and then

1444
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:48,640
i i had one even last year where

1445
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:49,760
some you know

1446
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:51,440
group of uh soldiers were up just doing

1447
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:54,400
kind of routine nightly exercises

1448
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:57,599
and you know same kind of report um just

1449
00:53:01,910 --> 00:53:00,000
a bright light in the sky that was just

1450
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:01,920
almost blinding

1451
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:03,599
um i mean it

1452
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:05,760
they didn't give me any description of

1453
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:06,880
craft and it wasn't like four or

1454
00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:08,160
anything but it was just a singular

1455
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:10,559
bright light that just

1456
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:12,640
lit them up and almost it he said it was

1457
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:14,000
so bright that it even woke up the

1458
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:15,440
people that were

1459
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:17,440
asleep that were resting on this

1460
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:18,960
exercise

1461
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:20,000
and

1462
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:23,119
then when they when he called it in to

1463
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:24,400
superiors

1464
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:25,440
they said

1465
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:27,359
don't move stay there

1466
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:28,960
we'll come out to you

1467
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:32,800
and they came out to these people and

1468
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:35,040
as far as he reported they

1469
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:37,440
took their clothes washed them down

1470
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:40,559
and sent them on their way to go through

1471
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:43,760
you know many more interviews

1472
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:45,359
so you know

1473
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:47,599
if it was something you know just a ufo

1474
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:49,119
or or

1475
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:51,119
not a ufo i mean if there was something

1476
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:53,520
that was ours

1477
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:55,200
why would they be scrubbing these people

1478
00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:57,599
down for radiation or whatever they were

1479
00:54:01,829 --> 00:54:00,079
exposed to but

1480
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:01,839
so that was that was just another

1481
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:04,079
account but there's yeah there's i get a

1482
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:05,200
lot of

1483
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:07,599
no worries we're all good and you know

1484
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:09,839
uh before as we wrap up here i want to

1485
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:11,839
kind of point out something that i find

1486
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:14,160
really interesting that is

1487
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:17,520
that a lot of people that are involved

1488
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:21,599
or interested in uaps and ufo research

1489
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:23,040
seem to have

1490
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:24,960
an artistic side you know we have like

1491
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:26,880
the to the stars um

1492
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:29,200
academy of arts and sciences you know a

1493
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:30,559
lot of

1494
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:31,839
ufo

1495
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:34,559
researchers seem to be involved with

1496
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:36,720
musical arts as well as other arts and

1497
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:39,599
you are also an artist i wanted to get

1498
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:42,000
into you have such a cool website i

1499
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:44,000
wanted to kind of tell the listeners

1500
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:46,480
about your art i'm also oh thank you

1501
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,119
blown away by the motorcycle stuff oh my

1502
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:51,280
gosh

1503
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:53,680
oh thanks i appreciate that

1504
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:56,480
so yeah i mean i see the the the photos

1505
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:59,520
here what got you involved with such

1506
00:55:02,230 --> 00:55:00,480
cool

1507
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:02,240
arts and how did you integrate these

1508
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:05,359
into your life this is amazing

1509
00:55:08,470 --> 00:55:07,200
yeah i mean i've i've always been an

1510
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:08,480
artist and

1511
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:10,160
you know started as a young age but it

1512
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:11,599
was about i've been airbrushing for

1513
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:14,480
about 20 or so years

1514
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,240
and just by happenstance when i first

1515
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:18,720
started doing that i also

1516
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:20,160
met a gentleman who just opened up a

1517
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:21,680
motorcycle shop

1518
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:24,960
customs

1519
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:26,079
and that's what i do most of my

1520
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:28,000
motorcycles out of and that's where a

1521
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:29,760
lot of my work comes from but

1522
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:31,280
yeah i just kind of started painting

1523
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:32,960
bikes and i'm sure they looked

1524
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:34,400
absolutely horrid

1525
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:35,359
yeah

1526
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:36,720
you know you all got to start somewhere

1527
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:38,079
but

1528
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:40,720
it's been

1529
00:55:47,109 --> 00:55:44,640
of cool opportunities to paint

1530
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:47,119
motorcycles cars

1531
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:50,319
even oddball projects you know caskets

1532
00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:51,599
even

1533
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:53,839
i saw that that was awesome i thought

1534
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:55,760
that was so awesome

1535
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:57,599
i've even done a prosthetics for the

1536
00:56:02,549 --> 00:55:59,520
university of utah so it's it's really

1537
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,559
opened me to a lot of

1538
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:04,480
very different aspects of places i would

1539
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:06,480
have never you know gone if it wasn't

1540
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:07,920
for you know

1541
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:09,359
that artistic

1542
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:11,359
you know aspect of things it really

1543
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:13,200
takes in some interesting directions for

1544
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:15,119
sure

1545
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:17,839
man it is great and um let's tell

1546
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:20,160
listeners where they can check out your

1547
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:22,400
art you have portraits helmets fine art

1548
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:24,799
motorcycles i mean you name it and where

1549
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,079
they can buy it or just check it out

1550
00:56:32,190 --> 00:56:30,480
yeah um yeah it's just my my website is

1551
00:56:35,109 --> 00:56:32,200
brian lindley

1552
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:35,119
arts.com that's brian with an i

1553
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:36,720
um if you google that it should pop

1554
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:38,079
right up

1555
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:40,240
but uh yeah i have some fine art on for

1556
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:42,480
sale on there i used to do a lot of art

1557
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:44,880
gallery stuff i have mostly focused on

1558
00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:47,200
motorcycles over the last few years but

1559
00:56:51,230 --> 00:56:48,640
yeah that's my website and please check

1560
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:51,240
out my social media as well uh

1561
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:52,960
brianlunleyart.com

1562
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:54,799
on instagram

1563
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:56,160
and yeah that's where you can find me

1564
00:57:01,910 --> 00:56:59,359
for my art stuff man i'm so happy you

1565
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:01,920
came on the podcast today and so many

1566
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:04,960
thanks for uh helping with utah's mutual

1567
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:06,880
ufo network

1568
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:10,079
and all all things ufo related and i

1569
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:11,760
know that the uintah basin holds a

1570
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:13,359
special place for you and you you

1571
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:15,280
continue to visit it we'll have to touch

1572
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,480
base again

1573
00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:18,720
and yeah absolutely thanks for coming

1574
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:21,280
i'd like to thank you and uh

1575
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:23,359
if i could even just thank some of the

1576
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:24,880
other groups in the area you know dave

1577
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:27,920
rosenfeld and utah ufo hunters they've

1578
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:30,079
they've kept this going long before i

1579
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:31,760
started doing it so

1580
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:34,400
major props to those guys and and also

1581
00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:36,319
even with mufon

1582
00:57:39,829 --> 00:57:37,839
you know you could always use more

1583
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:39,839
people here in utah so if

1584
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:41,359
anyone listening is actually interested

1585
00:57:45,030 --> 00:57:43,680
in becoming an investigator

1586
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,040
there's plenty of opportunities here in

1587
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:47,520
utah so if you think it's something for

1588
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:50,000
you don't be afraid to uh reach out

1589
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:51,760
through the website and get in contact

1590
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:53,440
with us

1591
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:54,640
that's great

1592
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:57,040
that is awesome and they still offer uh

1593
00:58:00,630 --> 00:57:58,880
training correct you can you can kind of

1594
00:58:02,069 --> 00:58:00,640
level up

1595
00:58:04,630 --> 00:58:02,079
yeah you can just if you just want to

1596
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:04,640
have access to all of our cases you can

1597
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:06,640
go on there and just become a member and

1598
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:09,040
that gives you full access to

1599
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:10,480
pretty much everything we have if you

1600
00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:12,240
just want to even just see everything

1601
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:13,760
that's out there

1602
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:14,720
so you don't

1603
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:16,160
have to become an investigator but if

1604
00:58:20,069 --> 00:58:17,680
that's something you do want to do then

1605
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:20,079
you go through their training and

1606
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:22,400
you get the manual and you it's you know

1607
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:23,839
clearly there's some testing involved

1608
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:25,040
and making sure that you know what

1609
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:27,200
you're doing before you start you know

1610
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:29,280
down this path but yeah it's it's been

1611
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:31,200
an amazing experience and i'm so glad i

1612
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:33,200
did it so

1613
00:58:36,870 --> 00:58:35,359
thank you so much brian for taking some

1614
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:36,880
time out of your hectic day i know you

1615
00:58:41,670 --> 00:58:38,880
got a lot going on and it's been an epic

1616
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:41,680
conversation so much appreciated yeah

1617
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:43,280
absolutely thank you ryan it's been a

1618
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:45,119
lot of fun and keep up all the awesome

1619
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:46,720
work you're doing as well

1620
00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:48,400
what a great guy what a great

1621
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:51,599
conversation brian lindley definitely

1622
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:53,200
check out

1623
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:56,160
brian lindley art.com

1624
00:59:03,270 --> 00:58:58,880
it's b r i a n

1625
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:03,280
l i n d l e y a r t

1626
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:05,599
com brian is

1627
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:08,640
again not just a ufo researcher

1628
00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:11,599
not just the assistant state director of

1629
00:59:17,349 --> 00:59:14,480
utah's mutual ufo network

1630
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:17,359
he selflessly is constantly

1631
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:18,960
investigating

1632
00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:20,799
different reports

1633
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:21,920
he's

1634
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:24,160
all too familiar with the unique

1635
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:26,400
attributes of the state of utah and its

1636
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:27,920
hot spots

1637
00:59:32,230 --> 00:59:29,680
and he is a

1638
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:32,240
big fan of the uintah basin and goes

1639
00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:35,040
back regularly so glad we got to talk to

1640
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:35,839
him

1641
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:38,559
for those who are listening also don't

1642
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:40,160
forget to

1643
00:59:44,789 --> 00:59:42,799
support hero paranormal you can go to

1644
00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:44,799
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1645
00:59:50,950 --> 00:59:48,400
or find hero paranormal on patreon

1646
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:50,960
and become a supporter to get much more

1647
00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:53,920
content support the podcast helps us

1648
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:55,760
make it happen the more support the more

1649
00:59:59,589 --> 00:59:57,440
podcasts it's

1650
01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:59,599
valuable time out of everyone's day and

1651
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:01,920
i i really appreciate people like brian

1652
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:04,160
coming on and i love to be able to talk

1653
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:05,520
to these people

1654
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:08,319
uh also check us out on youtube that's

1655
01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:10,079
where you can get all of our free

1656
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:12,880
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1657
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:15,440
the paywall at podbean

1658
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:18,319
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1659
01:00:23,270 --> 01:00:20,880
paranormal there also support hero

1660
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:23,280
paranormal on instagram

1661
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:25,200
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1662
01:00:31,109 --> 01:00:28,480
podcasts just like and subscribe to us

1663
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:31,119
on instagram and we'll keep you updated

1664
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:33,520
same goes with other social media like

1665
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:35,680
facebook look for hero paranormal and

1666
01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:37,760
follow what we have going on

1667
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:40,640
and don't forget to keep up with space

1668
01:00:45,190 --> 01:00:42,720
wolf research

1669
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:45,200
that's our base camp in the uintah basin

1670
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:47,200
where i basically just kind of have it

1671
01:00:52,069 --> 01:00:49,280
as a science project and i've been

1672
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:52,079
talking with some amazingly connected

1673
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:53,760
phd

1674
01:00:59,190 --> 01:00:56,960
scientists and experts with connections

1675
01:01:02,390 --> 01:00:59,200
to the aerospace industry and

1676
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:02,400
theoretical astrophysics we're getting

1677
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:03,839
into it

1678
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:06,319
and whatever we find we will do our best

1679
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:08,319
to figure out

1680
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:11,040
so until next time keep your eyes to the

1681
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:12,160
skies

1682
01:01:23,590 --> 01:01:14,960
feet on the ground but don't forget to

1683
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come blast off in my time machine third

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eye feeling like an evil